Saints of the Most High God, I have been praying for a year that Killary Rotten Clinton, the whole Clinton Foundation, Obama & his corrupt,Muslim infested Executive Branch would be exposed beyond denial. It seems that is happening, now right before the election. We had a registered Democrat at NKU tell us the other day that he along with all of his politico friends will be voting for Trump because, she stomps all over little people, and Trump has many stories of helping the little guy. I will try and get that video posted later today. Pray for more exposure as the Lord wills and that the Democrats will finally be silenced into submission. Lastly, this news source is really good because unlike other websites it is generally free from much adverts and is definitely free of the usual slutty videos and pictures the whoremongers love to see.
Here is the video of a Northern Ky University Democrat student declaring his vote for Trump and he goes on to say his friends will too!
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton walk in to a bar.
Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says,
“The media is really tearing you apart for that Scandal.”
Hillary: “You mean my lying about Benghazi?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the massive voter fraud?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using my secret private server with classified material to Hide my Activities?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything Else?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, Hiring Cronies, And taking bribes from foreign countries?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the drones being operated in our own country without The Benefit of the law?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it Declared Bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity Deals?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Turning Libya into chaos?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Being the mastermind of the so-called “Arab Spring” that only brought chaos, death and destruction to the Middle East and North Africa?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving four Americans to die in Benghazi?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The funding and arming of terrorists in Syria, the destruction and destabilization of that nation, giving the order to our lapdogs in Turkey and Saudi Arabia to give sarin gas to the “moderate” terrorists in Syria that they eventually used on civilians, and framed Assad, and had it not been for the Russians and Putin, we would have used that as a pretext to invade Syria, put a puppet in power, steal their natural resources, and leave that country in total chaos, just like we did with Libya?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The creation of the biggest refugees crisis since WWII?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving Iraq in chaos? ”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance Executives?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 Months Later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring citizens’ ?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General Investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Threats to all of Bill’s former mistresses to keep them quiet?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the INSIDER TRADING of the Tyson chicken deal I did where I invested $1,000 and the next year I got $100,000?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean when Bill met with Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, just before my hearing with the FBI to cut a deal?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: ” You mean the one where my IT guy at Platte River Networks asked Reddit for help to alter emails?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean where the former Haitian Senate President accused me and my foundation of asking him for bribes?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean that old video of me laughing as I explain how I got the charges against that child rapist dropped by blaming the young girl for liking older men and fantasizing about them. Even though I knew the guy was guilty?
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean that video of me coughing up a giant green lunger into my drinking glass then drinking it back down?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean that video of me passing out on the curb and losing my shoe?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean when I robbed Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party Nomination by having the DNC rig the nomination process so that I would win?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean how so many people that oppose me have died in mysterious was?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Travel Gate? When seven employees of the White House Travel Office were fired so that friends of Bill and mine could take over the travel business? And when I lied under oath during the investigation by the FBI, the Department of Justice, the White House itself, the General Accounting Office, the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, and the Whitewater Independent Counsel?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The scandal where, (while I was Secretary if State), the State Department signed off on a deal to sell 20% of the USA’s uranium to a Canadian corporation that the Russians bought, netting a $145 million donation from Russia to the Clinton Foundation and a $500,000 speaking gig for Bill from the Russian Investment Bank that set up the corporate buyout?. That scandal?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “That time I lied when I said I was under sniper fire when I got off the plane in Bosnia?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “That time when after I became the First Lady, I improperly requested a bunch of FBI files so I could look for blackmail material on government insiders?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “That time when Bill nominated Zoe Baird as Attorney General, even though we knew she hired illegal immigrants and didn’t pay payroll taxes on them?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “When I got Nigeria exempted from foreign aid transparency guidelines despite evidence of corruption because they gave Bill a $700,000 in speaking fees?”
Trump” “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “That time in 2009 when Honduran military forces allied with rightist lawmakers ousted democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya, and I as then-Secretary of State sided with the armed forces and fought global pressure to reinstate him?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it! When I stole the White House furniture, silverware, when Bill left Office?”
Trump: “THAT’S IT! I almost forgot about that one”.
We were falsely accused of many things by most of the students on the Middle Tenn State University during our outreaches there recently. My responses are outlined in the following letter to the editor in the weblink below. These false allegations by the MTSU students reveal the bigotry and bias of the students against God, His Word, the Truth, and the preachers.
Original Accusations and Article From Students
Here is the original story filled with false allegations. The Lord compelled me to address this properly so that others including faculty and students who may not have attended the two days of meetings could get a better understanding of what happened.
First Outreach to MTSU Attack in 2010
Keep in mind that Middle Tenn State Univ, MTSU, is the original campus where a female graduate student pushed me off a 3 foot wall onto a 55 gal barrel trash receptacle which inflicted very painful injuries to my chest and could have killed me.
Walking the Tightrope of the Holiness Way! by John McGlone
UPDATE 1/30/17: Recently, while preaching in Washington, DC at the inauguration I was approached by David Giro of LaCroix and Skelly’s preaching group. He made the accusation that our whole group and I needed to repent of our reviling and railing against sinners and that we are on our way to hell. I will give more testimony on this sharp division caused by LaCroix & Skelly in the near future.
There have been multitudes of sharp divisions in the open air preaching community over words and behaviors that some, including myself, employ while preaching God’s Word and the Gospel to the lost in our world. With that in mind I say with Paul that I praise God that the Gospel is preached!
Php 1:15-18 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. 18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Setting a Standard of Holiness in Speech and Conduct
With that said, I have wrestled with a standard for which I would govern myself according to the Holy Ghost in my open air work. So, whatever motivates another brother to preach and how he preaches, I give God glory and thanks the Gospel is preached. For myself, I must come to a place where I am obeying the Holy Ghost and what He is teaching me in these matters.
Here are some standards I am laying out for myself: 1. I will use words from the KJV Bible(preferred) in context and applicability. 2. I will use words that are scientific or biblical in regards to sexual sins or otherwise. 3. I will limit the use of slang, inflammatory, or non biblical words which may unnecessarily incite hearers. 4. I will seek to use primarily biblical type parables vs. parables that play to the imaginations of sin. 5. I will not apply my standard to other people but pray they seek the Holy Ghost for a standard for themselves and walk according to His direction if they have not already done so. 6. I will seek to check my heart toward the lost, both before, during and after a preach. 7. I will seek to do the Lord’s will in all things even if men don’t understand or approve. 8. I will seek to be flexible on words or behaviors for weaker brothers or sisters I am working with. Rom 14 [new add, 07/08/17]
I would ask the saints to comment below in regards to standards they think we should institute in personal evangelism. If I find them biblical I will certainly add them to my list.
My Past Defense and Future Hope
My defense of using harsh and colorful words that offend in the past year has been that curse words come from a heart of cursing toward the sinners. I think the best and simplest example of this is when we preach that sinners are on their way to hell and they need to turn and live. On the other hand the sinners will turn around and say, Go to hell you effing stupid preacher. Do you see the spiritual difference? Both times the same ‘curse’ word hell is used, but the spirit by which they are said are completely different.
I think the Westboro Baptist Church(consistent Calvinists) actually hate the sinners with God from their view and want to see them destroyed. So, if you hate the sinners and you are actually cursing them with death, hell, diseases, you need a heart check.
I know, I know, the trite statement that most sinners and all lukewarm ‘Christians’ say about God is, “God hates the sin, but loves the sinner.” However, correct thinking about this issue is that God can hate both the sin and the sinner, He is the Creator. We however, as fellow creatures of mankind, must hate the sin, and love the sinner according to Jesus’ commands and teachings. However, King David cursed and hated God’s enemies, was this sin?
Ps 109:5-21 Thus they have rewarded me evil for good, And hatred for my love. 6 Set a wicked man over him, And let an accuser stand at his right hand. 7 When he is judged, let him be found guilty, And let his prayer become sin. 8 Let his days be few, And let another take his office. 9 Let his children be fatherless, And his wife a widow. Psa 109:10 Let his children continually be vagabonds, and beg; Let them seek their bread also from their desolate places. 11 Let the creditor seize all that he has, And let strangers plunder his labor. 12 Let there be none to extend mercy to him, Nor let there be any to favor his fatherless children. 13 Let his posterity be cut off, And in the generation following let their name be blotted out. 14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the LORD, And let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. 15 Let them be continually before the LORD, That He may cut off the memory of them from the earth; 16 Because he did not remember to show mercy, But persecuted the poor and needy man, That he might even slay the broken in heart. 17 As he loved cursing, so let it come to him; As he did not delight in blessing, so let it be far from him. 18 As he clothed himself with cursing as with his garment, So let it enter his body like water, And like oil into his bones. 19 Let it be to him like the garment which covers him, And for a belt with which he girds himself continually. 20 Let this be the LORD’s reward to my accusers, And to those who speak evil against my person. 21 But You, O GOD the Lord, Deal with me for Your name’s sake; Because Your mercy is good, deliver me.
Psa 139:20-24 For they speak against You wickedly; Your enemies take Your name in vain. 21 Do I not hate them, O LORD, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? 22 I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies. 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; 24 And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting.
Is God’s eternal justice demonstrated at the throne of Jesus an act of love or hatred? Most Christians will sheepishly answer they don’t know or understand how it could be love that God would burn and torment someone forever as Jesus taught in Mark 9:43-48
I do think there may be holiness preachers out there that could be ‘cursing’ sinners from their heart. An actual desire to see people burn and suffer torment in eternal damnation. This of course would be ungodly and must be forsaken for any who call themselves holiness preachers. How do we judge each other on that issue? Is it the tone, or particular words in particular order, a facial expression, or body language? It is a heart issue, I think we can all agree so be careful when you judge the heart of another. One way to be sure is to seek clarification, by asking the person their view. Do you desire people to go to hell? Does God desire that? If God doesn’t want people to burn forever, then shouldn’t we line our hearts up with God’s? In the future we will all agree that Jesus’ Judgments are righteous and true and we will all say Amen on that day to the everlasting damnation that God will mete out. But, what about now?
My future hope is in Jesus who died for me and for you on the cross. My future hope is that everyone who is active in the open air community will come to a civil and peaceable agreement on how we are to conduct ourselves towards; God, the saints, and sinners alike on these issues. Let us not seek to fracture or divide but to understand and be united in the Holy Ghost.
Php_1:27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,
1Th_2:4 But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts.
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. (Romans 8:4-8)
Self Examination
In this whole arena of words and behaviors that varying holiness open air preachers use, we must ask ourselves and examine ourselves individually to see if our conscience is clear before the Holy God of the Bible. Are these things sin to me? Are they sinful to the hearers? Are they sinful to God most importantly? Is it my job to police every preacher on words and behaviors? No, but I am my brother’s keeper. If I am faithful to God I will want to keep the dialog open that we may refresh each other with the truth of what we think God has taught on these matters. I would like to submit Rom 14 as a standard for those areas that we find to be doubtful.
Ephesians 5:4– neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
Course jesting– greek word Eutrapelia: scurrility, ribaldry, low jesting
Ribaldry– mean, vulgar language; chiefly, obscene language
Vulgar– mean, rustic, rude, low, unrefined, pertaining to the common unlettered people
Obscene– offensive to chastity and delicacy; impure; expressing or presenting to the mind or view something which delicacy, purity and decency forbid
All of the above could certainly be subjective so we need to seek the Holy Ghost to ensure that we are not offending Him in any way with our preaching and ministry. In my limited experiences I have found that being immersed in the filthy language and behaviors of sinners tends to cause us to harden our hearts toward them. Rejection after rejection, repeating the wisdom from the Bible over and again can be very frustrating to say the least. This is why we are called to long suffer brethren, this a a major fruit of the Holy Ghost. Jesus was perfected in His sufferings. Jesus was perfected? Yes, He was completed by it, and we are called to suffer with Him. Don’t you know how grieved He is by all the wicked things that you and I see in the open air? This is just the tip of the iceberg of reality! We see flashes of peoples lives, God sees everything!
Here is some good context for the above verse on course talk and jesting:
Eph 5:5-13 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
So here we see a list of people that will be condemned to God’s wrath, warning not to be a part of that, walk in the light as the Spirit leads, proving it. Having no fellowship with these bad fruits of sin and reproving that! Here is the real exciting part, it’s a shame to speak of these things of what sinners do in the dark, but the reproving of that is shown by the Holy Ghost reproving from within us and out of our mouths!
Prov 15:3The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.
2 Timothy 2:23-25 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
2 Tim 4:2-5Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
2 Timothy 2:14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
1 Corinthians 5:11– But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Railer- One who scoffs, insults, censures or reproaches with opprobrious language.
Opprobrious– Reproachful and contemptuous language.
Here is where Jesus upbraided:
Mat 11:20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
Mar 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Strong’s 3679 ὀνειδέζω oneidezō on-i-did’-zo From G3681; to defame, that is, rail at, chide, taunt: – cast in teeth, (suffer) reproach, revile, upbraid. Total KJV occurrences: 10
G3679 ὀνειδέζω oneide 1) to reproach, upbraid, revile 1a) of deserved reproachzō Thayer Definition:vile 1b) of undeserved reproach, to reed 1c) to upbraid, cast (favours receiv A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s N) in one’s teeth Part of Speech: verbumber: from G3681 Citing in TDNT: 5:239, 693
So here we see our Savior exampling what to do to whole cities and even his closest disciples. But, these standard setting pontificating popes of the new open air movement know better than Jesus. I do think that preachers can give an undeserved upbraiding, railing, or reproach to someone under their preaching. This would be the danger for us all. If we do so, we should immediately humble ourselves and ask to be forgiven. But, to lump all rebukes, railings, and upbraidings under sin is to then to accuse Jesus of sin. So, just as there could be unholy rebukes, there could be holy rebukes as well. Adam LaCroix who has done a very thoughtful but erroneous teaching on this matter is spreading division and discord once again in the open air community.
I found this video of Br. Ruben Israel to be quite refreshing and challenging at the same time. Warning, many offensive terms from the Holy Bible taught in this teaching. If the German derivative of poo poo offends you, then you may not want to watch.
Here is a link to a document listing all of the verses Ruben uses in this teaching:
I have preached with Br. Ruben on some occasions and found he is one of the most humble men I know. He has never used this sh$t word in his preaching while I have been with him. I don’t think he uses it as a common term. But, he makes a good point about the way the language is spoken and understood both in ours and different eras. What do people understand and what language do they use, that we are preaching to? Are we ashamed that God has spoken these harsh words through the prophets? Was God too unloving and harsh with the wicked whore of Israel who had trampled His grace over and over again?
Eph 4:29-32Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
1 Timothy 6:3-5 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth,
1 Peter 3:8-11– 8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. 10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
1 Peter 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
Colossians 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. 6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.
Colorful Behaviors in the Open Air
What can and can’t we do as we preach to grab the attention of those who are lulled into the sin sick world in which we live? This era is very difficult as the open air preacher battles; iphones, mp4 players with ear buds, tablets, computers, tv, music most of which is filled with gross sin which the carnal mind finds so attractive. As Bro Jesse Morrell wrote of years ago, our preaching must be direct and pointy to the individual concerning their sin. Granted their sin is a shame to speak of, yet we must uncover it and reprove it in order for their mind and heart to become concerned about their eternal destiny. This reality which will happen if they don’t repent often causes a great uproar to the listeners as they have never heard such things from any pastor or ‘Christian’ as they have experience them in our day. Some will try and use Eph 5:4 in regards to coarse jesting as an evidence that some preachers go too far in their attention grabbing and sin. But, again as I explained earlier keep reading the whole passage. Telling dirty jokes to have ‘fun’ with the sinner or enjoy the thoughts of the sin described are not a motive of any open air preacher I know! It is as Bro Jed has explained, “…a sinner is like a nice shiny brand new aluminum trashcan, looks good on the outside. But, we want to rip the lid off of that vessel and dump all the filthy rotten contents out on the ground for all to see!” [not quoted from original source]
This is a great video on many fronts from Bro Jed Smock and Company. It is challenging, edifying, and worthy of examination. I warn you, you will find many extraordinary behaviors that most will criticize without ever having preached in the open air themselves.
2 Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.
Titus 1:9 holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.
Titus 3:2-3 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. 3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Proverbs 12:17-There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, But the tongue of the wise promotes health.
Proverbs 16:24 Pleasant words are like a honeycomb, Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.
Proverbs 15:1– A soft answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
Proverbs 18:23– The poor man uses entreaties, But the rich answers roughly.
Proverbs 20:3– It is honorable for a man to stop striving, Since any fool can start a quarrel.
Proverbs 25:15– By long forbearance a ruler is persuaded, and a gentle tongue breaks a bone.
Proverbs 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.
In finality, this is just a good proverb to meditate on…
Proverbs 22:11– He who loves purity of heart And has grace on his lips, The king will be his friend.
Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Great video from Bro Jesse Morrell, a highly seasoned and excellent preacher of God’s Word, enjoy!
Lastly, my thoughts are for those of you who are lukewarm in this era, and thus are not even qualified to bring an accusation against those who are actively seeking those that are lost in sin. Do you believe that Jesus will turn you away with the MOST judgement, because you knew what was right but weren’t willing to obey Him? If you are not being a witness for Jesus, shame on you! Repent of not loving Jesus and the lost. Get from behind your keyboard and speak the truths of the Bible to those in darkness and sin.
May God bless you all as you seek Him for your standards of language and behaviors as you preach the truths of Jesus to a lost and dying world.
Typical hypocritical ‘preacher’ from behind his cowardly keyboard trying to rebuke others for that which they would not do, even according to their own standard.
I have been blessed over the last month to develop with a few saints of God the Heartland Openair Preaching and Evangelism Facebook Group, H.O.P.E. Things have been going very well, making connections among the saints in our heartland region. In just a few short weeks we have made some great event coordinations as well. It’s been really good, peaceable, and simple. We are up to about 50 members now, a few outside our region who are checking on what we are doing so they may initiate such a group for their regions. Praise God, wouldn’t it be great to have different regional groups who help announce, coordinate, and work out strategies for the members?
That is the background for the story of a man I am compelled to introduce named Phillip Gage, from Holcomb, MO. who was invited to join our group. From the very first welcome post on the thread, it seemed Phillip made his motives known to correct certain methods and standards for our group. I decided to remove the thread from the board, as one of our tenets is not to bring doctrines to discussion but leave the board for coordination, recruiting, and brainstorming events. He had also used some very vulgar language which I didn’t have time to deal with as I was heading out the door to preach at WKU all day. I offered that he could discuss these things in PM for any members who were willing to do so. I quickly set that up for him to discuss these things with the membership. The thread got quickly out of hand while I was gone with Phillip taking authority where he had none, accusing members of sin, etc. I told the admins to ask Phillip if I could call him, then we would work it out. He agreed and I called him after our hectic day on campus. He seemed apologetic, humble, and yet passionate all at the same time. I agreed he could stay on. I returned home found the thread was much worse than I thought, and how many things that Phillip did causing so much discord and division in such a short amount of time. You dear reader may be wondering what was he so bent out of shape about? He heard other preachers using terms like; faggot, whore, etc and he was grieved in his spirit. I explained my/our view on what may seem like harsh corrupt language comes from a corrupt heart, not from what the culture or even what an individual deems is corrupt. We believe a curse word involves cursing in the heart toward the one whom it is directed. For example, a sinner may say, “F… you preacher go to hell.” We would reply, “God bless you sinner I don’t want you to go to hell!” The same ‘curse’ word hell is involved but where is the cursing in the latter example? Who has the impure or pure heart in these matters? Thus when the open air minister is calling the world to repent of all the filthy, wicked things they promote and love, he must be careful not to have reviling in his heart toward the hearers. These things we witness and see on the streets of NeoSodom are vulgar and a shame to even speak but we are called to expose them.
Eph 4:29-32 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
Eph 5:11-13 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
We can easily see there that we should not approve of, or have fellowship with sin. Even speaking of these wicked things sinners do is shameful. But, despite the fact that it is a shame, we have to reprove and expose these things which would mean we must speak of them…from a pure heart not defiled with reviling, hatred, and rioting on our parts. That is our position for the group.
I spoke with Phillip again for about an hour the next day and it became very quickly apparent, he had come to teach our group his arbitrary standard of what speech and methods of open air preaching he approves. At times he would be very patient, then outbursts of passion and anger about how grieved he was about our behavior. He made threats to come and preach against us at the Memphis Pride we had planned. I pointed out to him that if we were in sin, who was it and where was his evidence against them? After a pregnant pause, he offered Marvin Heiman. I immediately cautioned him about accusing brethren and asked for his proof to which he did not offer any. We spoke some more, then I hung up the phone very exhausted from maintaining my composure with a very belligerent phone call.
Over the course of the day the admins of the group came to the conclusion he wasn’t going to be a good fit. We decided that Marvin and I would speak to him the next day by phone, I would be the second witness in regards to Phillip’s accusation against Marvin’s sin, whatever that was. We also decided because it seemed that Phillip was so passionate and accusatory that we would make a recording of it.
The next day we called Phillip and he was agreeable to the recording and discussion parameters of timed sequences with me moderating our time together. I mention that we didn’t desire to publish this audio. However, I have changed my view on this in light of all the trouble he has caused among our members and now other open air groups making false accusations and bringing discord. Here is that talk:
Discussion with Marvin Heiman, Phillip Gage, and John McGlone
We have removed Phillip from our group based on his unwillingness to admit he is wrong about his accusations against Marvin and now the saints of God. At time 11:00 you hear his ideas that we should ostracize brethren, and separate ourselves. The Bible teaches us to seek reconciliation and peace among those of the household of faith, this was our motive and hope with him.
At time 19:01 Phillip asserts that the people that are hearing the words, determine whether or a word is a curse word or not.
The following godly brethren all part of our group had discussions on some level, either on private message or openly; Marvin Heiman, Quentin Deckard, A.T. Love, Joshua Stanley Lovell, and Tim Brown. I will include their testimonies as I receive them. There were many others on the Street Preacher Movement Group, Jim Gilles, et all, who briefly encountered him. This was before he realized that his testimony against me would not just be accepted without some testing by the saints. He began blocking people, including myself.
Pro 6:16-19 These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: 17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, 19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.
Tit 3:9-11 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Heretick Strong’s G141 αἱρετικός aihretikos hahee-ret-ee-kos’
– a schismatic. This word only occurs once in the KJV translation
I publish this blog post to make it apparent to all the saints how we have tried to work with Phillip, but he would not put down his unbiblical views on words and methods in the open air. I also do this to warn and make aware to everyone in the open air holiness community of this divider of the brethren that they may call him to repentance. Thank you. May God bless you as you seek to glorify the Son!
One of the last correspondences Phillip gave to me was this pm, which he assumes many things based on a slanderous website against many open air preachers:
You’re living in adultery- remarried after divorce before your wife was dead. Without a doubt you have a gay daughter.
Who are you to lead men of God in organized activities and call yourself a preacher? You are disqualified from your post by your own admissions. Please refrain from speaking to me ever again. I WILL BE TO SEE YOU IN MEMPHIS. God has put me on you like a bloodhound buddy. You will be forced underground for what youve done
Not only do your current actions over the last couple of days prove that you’re a lukewarm freak, but I keep getting stuff piled on my desk that proves that you are who I think you are. God will not be mocked
By 09:20 Phillip had blocked Jim Gilles off of the Street Preachers group for asking public questions, about his public accusations, then me, then Marvin and God knows who else. Beware of Phillip Gage.
Taking Time to Plow, Plant, and Water with Salesmen, Technicians, Pollsters, and other Souls Online, the Phone or Anywhere!
Jesse White
Maytag introduced its spokesman as “the loneliest guy in town” in 1967, in a campaign created by its ad agency at the time, Leo Burnett Chicago. Jesse White played the role for more than two decades, filming 68 commercials as the character who cultivates habits such as solitaire, crossword puzzles and bead work because he is rarely called upon to repair a machine. He would also come to be known as “Ol’ Lonely.”
We have several refrigerators/freezers in our home, which get abused sometimes and I have to order parts for them. I started an online chat with a Sears Parts Support Technician, named Spencer, I really enjoyed chatting with him from the beginning of our interaction. But, you will see by the end of our conversation, I purposely turned the conversation to spiritual things. I try to take the time to do this with anyone who I need to call for help, or someone who calls to sell or petition me at home. Have you ever gotten a call from India? I have and they believe in jesus, but their jesus is just one of millions of gods. God knows what He can do in a person’s heart in that land by simple obedience of the saints to be unashamed of Jesus. I hope they will be sober enough to listen to my Gospel presentation, so that we may see them in eternity. One concept that freed me up in evangelism twelve years ago is the subtitle above; plowing, planting, watering with God granting the increase. This is biblical and I realized that I didn’t have to get a ‘convert’ right there but to disciple myself and other believers that we would be about the spiritual agronomy of our Father’s business planting and watering. So, you can see by the end of the conversation we were really interacting on an intimate yet spiritual level even though I don’t know him from Adam. As we ended our call, I wondered after him with compassion, hope,and a prayer that he will actually seek first the Kingdom of God and everything else will be added to him.
Spencer (23:20:36 GMT) : Hello John!
Spencer (23:20:43 GMT) : Welcome to Sears parts sales department! What parts may I order for you?
john mcglone (23:20:44 GMT) : FFHS2611LWHA we need the bottom door shelf
Spencer (23:20:51 GMT) : Thank you for the model number.
john mcglone (23:20:52 GMT) : hey spencer!
john mcglone (23:20:58 GMT) : welcome
Spencer (23:21:01 GMT) : How are you doing?
john mcglone (23:21:05 GMT) : good you?
Spencer (23:21:18 GMT) : Me too good, thank you for asking!
Spencer (23:21:25 GMT) : I will be glad to help you locating the door shelf for you.
john mcglone (23:21:34 GMT) : gr8t….[we had much going back and forth at this point finding two different shelves for two different models, so I’ll cut to the end of the chat]
Gordon Jump The actor who first became known as station manager Arthur Carlson on the sitcom “WKRP in Cincinatti” took over the Maytag repairman role from Jesse White in 1989 and starred in the company’s commercials until 2003.
Spencer (23:30:25 GMT) : https://www.searspartsdirect.com/Kenmore-Refrigerator-Parts/5004JJ0001A/0046/795/Model-79XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-0161000.html
Spencer (23:30:30 GMT) : Please click on above link. john mcglone (23:30:59 GMT) : Thanks that’s great! One last question? Spencer (23:31:35 GMT) : Sure, John. john mcglone (23:32:49 GMT) : Ok gr8, God forbid if you died today and stood before Jesus Christ, would you be guilty or innocent? john mcglone (23:34:49 GMT) : Spencer? Spencer (23:35:03 GMT) : I am sorry, I think I will be guilty. Spencer (23:35:21 GMT) : I was thinking about it. john mcglone (23:35:36 GMT) : Okay, if you are guilty where would you go? Good to think carefully about your soul… Spencer (23:37:04 GMT) : I think he is kind enough and if I will beg for pardon, I will be forgiven. john mcglone (23:37:43 GMT) : JUDGMENT DAY is not where you get mercy. Mercy must be had in this life while you breathe here or you will be condemned. That is according to the Bible. Spencer (23:38:15 GMT) : I totally agree, John! john mcglone (23:38:16 GMT) : He is kind enough to offer you pardon through Jesus Christ now. The Bible says, ‘Today is the day of salvation…” Spencer (23:38:41 GMT) : Very true! john mcglone (23:38:44 GMT) : I’m glad you do. You’ve been born again of the Holy Ghost? Spencer (23:39:50 GMT) : I am planning to. john mcglone (23:40:40 GMT) : What if you die before you surrender? Spencer (23:41:12 GMT) : With gods grace, very soon that will happen. Spencer (23:41:16 GMT) : Hope you are a blessing to others john mcglone (23:41:45 GMT) : I hope that I am as well. Will you check this link? http://www.jesuspreacher.com/becoming-a-christian/ Spencer (23:41:55 GMT) : Sure, John! john mcglone (23:41:56 GMT) : put it in your smart phone! Spencer (23:42:00 GMT) : Thank you very much! john mcglone (23:42:12 GMT) : You’re welcome, I care about you. john mcglone (23:42:20 GMT) : Love Jesus, Hate Evil! Spencer (23:42:45 GMT) : I’m glad to see that someone isn’t afraid to address such a topic. Spencer (23:42:54 GMT) : It was really nice chatting with you. Spencer (23:43:01 GMT) : Have a great evening ahead! john mcglone (23:43:13 GMT) : It’s so important! Nice talking to you as well. I hope to see you in the Kingdom of Christ! Spencer (23:43:29 GMT) : Me too, John! Take care! john mcglone (23:43:32 GMT) : Good bye Spence…
Dear friend in Christ if you look at the ‘hook’ highlighted in red above you will find that it is an excellent spiritual question which; brings about the hard topic of death, urgency of ‘today’, shows compassion[God forbid], names the Name of Christ, and asks them to judge themselves whether they be guilty or innocent[appeal to the conscience/law]. This gives them time to really think about their own life IF they stood before God today. Then you will see the fishing line of the blue highlighted question, “If you are guilty, where will you go, heaven or hell?” Which really is an attention grabber and opens them up to humble interactions.
Saints, I hope you are encouraged and edified with these concepts/ideas and practice and implementing them right away. Lastly, you will find this works anywhere, anytime, with anyone of any religion, cultural, or experiential background. Try it in line at Walmart, Lowes, at the auto repair shop, school, your ‘church’, etc.
May God bless you with many Kingdom rewards for His glory!
Flying the Colors Union Down, July 4, 2016 Nashville, TN
by John McGlone
Today I took my retirement flag out of it’s case of 15 years, and flew it upside down at the 4th of July event in Nashville. This was a warning and sign of imminent danger and distress for our country. See subpara (a) It got lots of attention all day long as I knew it would. However, I am not seeking to disrespect our country, flag, or people by doing so.
I am not a homosexual, socialist, or Muslim who was burning or stomping on our flag. I am a Christian American who served 21 years in the Navy, exercising my duty to warn my countrymen displaying our flag in a lawful manner. Not many know of this display, but I have handled the Ensign and Union Jack for our ships thousands of times. Ceremonies daily at 0800 every morning, sunset every evening, funerals, burials at sea, ship commissioning, decommissioning, gun salutes, etc…This display got lots of emotional tirades, some humble questions, and lots of thought provoking of careless Americans on one of our most celebrated of holidays in Nashville , TN where the week before the District Court was bathed in homosexual rainbow banners/flags flying high and ‘proud’.
Here are some of the reasons why God is angry with Americans and is judging our country: 1. Abortion 60 million plus innocent babies murdered 2.Homo and Hetero Sexual perversions/approval 3. Militant Feminism 4. Destruction of the Family 5. Corrupt Goverment/politicians 6. Wicked Educational, Medical, Social, and Financial establishments. 7. Rejecting God and His Word in every area of our culture.
This demonstration of our union down as we fly ‘Old glory’ is a lawful way to display our flag as you can see here. I am warning, God’s JUDGMENT is about to fall. Homo and Hetero Sodomy is a threat to National Security! God firebombed Sodom and Gomorrah for these very things. We are putting our lives and property in dire danger and imminent distress of God wrath IF we don’t repent of our national and individual sins!
U.S. Code › Title 4 › Chapter 1 › § 8
4 U.S. Code § 8 – Respect for flag
Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
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No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105–225, § 2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
This retirement flag which I received after 21 years of military service in the U.S. Navy had been flown over the U.S.S. Arizona if any know what that means and where that is…
Lastly a warning from Scripture for all you patriots out there:
2 Pet 2:4-22 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Instead of singing, “God bless America”, we need to start blessing God both in song and our conduct. May God stay His hand of execution that we may repent as a nation and return to Him who establishes nations.
2 Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
During this patriotic season and celebration of the Independence of America, I am torn and conflicted in many ways. I have my experiences, my family’s emigration, heritage and military service to it, our people, our ‘freedoms’ enjoyed by no other nation, our civil and Constitutional foundation and framework, the blood and lives of my countrymen shed and laid down for it, the traditions of our fathers, etc all come to a head and in conflict against concepts I see in the Bible. America needs to become dependent on God once again.
What is the complete concept that is expressed in the previous passage from 1 Chr 7? It is God speaking to Solomon, the wisest man/leader the world has ever seen about the condition of God’s land and people and what God would do in response the the people’s idolatry and if they fail to repent of their wickedness. This nation that we live in has been greatly blessed by the Creator of the Universe because we have honored Him in the past with obedience to His law and statutes as a people.
2 Chr 7:12-22 And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice. 13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.
16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. 17 And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments; 18 Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel. 19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them; 20 Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations. 21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and unto this house? 22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.
This word evil doesn’t just mean moral impurity, it also means destruction. We know that God is morally perfect and pure so this certainly means of God’s willingness to bring destruction upon the people and the land with great consequences. This is what is currently happening to America. Our land which has been defiled with abortion, sexual deviations like homosexuality, bestiality, and pedophlia, divorce, pornography, fornication, corrupt politics, greed, and false teachers. This has led us into not a backsliding from the faith once delivered to the saints, but is a moral and religious freefall where we see ‘churches’ marching in gay pride parades, approving, and promoting such wickedness even to the children where no standard of conduct is imposed upon anyone because ‘Christians’ have been lied to and convinced that judgment is not allowed in the aforesaid faith. We can’t even examine or judge ourselves, according to them, though the Bible clearly teaches that we should. See webpage here on CHRISTIAN JUDGMENT.
Isa 13:9-13 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
Pro 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.
When will our people learn that God is not fooled by our theologies, our pastors, our desire for secret sin, which are an abomination to Him? We have churches filled on every corner, yet we can’t muster a squad of godly men in a city like Nashville, Louisville or even LA to carry the trumpet and banners of the Lord to the enemies of God. We have churches filled with people who have made up a god for themselves. His name is jesus christ. He is another christ, another gospel which the Bible clearly warns against.
May God stay His Hand of Judgment, If my people will…
At memorial in Orlando FL, a cross with rainbow flag after Pulse massacre.
Does God Hear the Prayers of Saints and Sinners? by John McGlone
Besides open air biblical preaching, the next most neglected ministry in the Christian walk is the prayer closet. To pray to God is to worship, intercede, fast, commune, seeking wisdom and guidance about His will for our lives, the lives of the saints and interceding for the sinners alike.
As I was preparing this article examining the idea of whether or not God hears sinners, the murder of 50 homosexuals and serious injuries to 53 others of the Pulse gay bar in Orlando, FL occurred.
The attack of a Muslim against homosexuals is nothing new. He was just being consistent with his murderous religion. Muslims are taught that homosexuals should be thrown from the highest tower of the city, burned at the stake, stoned, etc.
Quran (7:80-84) – “…For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds…. And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)” – An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the “rain of stones” on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people’s destruction. (Inexplicably, the story is also repeated in suras 15:74, 27:58 and 29:40).
Quran (7:81) – “Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?” This verse is part of the previous text and it establishes that homosexuality as different from (and much worse than) adultery or other sexual sin. According to the Arabic grammar, homosexuality is called the worst sin, while references elsewhere describe other forms of non-marital sex as being “among great sins.”
How does this correlate to Christendom? We see that sodomy is an abomination to God. He hates this vile despicable sexuality because of what it does to the very fabric of His design for family and society. The vast contradictions of the Muslim religion are highlighted by the truths that Jesus taught in the Bible. Though homosexuals are in danger of reprobation, God is able to deliver them if they are willing to surrender to Jesus. The only hope any of us have is for Christ to deliver us from the mouth of hell and our sin that we might live for Him in holiness and truth.
It is interesting to me to find that homosexuals who complain about violence against their community by Muslims, are also willing to be violent toward Christians as they preach. The Christian preacher is simply calling out all sinners from the darkness of sin to the marvelous Light of Jesus Christ. As we often will preach to the homosexuals, “God is an equal opportunity condemner, He judges both homo and hetero sodomites! Both will go to eternal fire” Now, the True and Living God of the Bible desires the sinner to turn and live, so that He may give them mercy that NONE of us deserve.
Another interesting contradiction of the homosexual community is the defense of Islam as a religion of peace. The massacre of homosexuals at the Pulse pervert club, has caused even more confusion from among both groups. The homos are claiming this is just a lone wolf jihadi, the Muslims are claiming they are religion of peace. When will the truth stand in opposition to both groups? I say, when Jesus Christ returns then all liars will have their part in the lake of fire.
Liberal moronic thinkers supporting those who would seek to destroy them…
Back to the point of this article, “Does God hear sinners as they pray?” The plethora of Scripture I have offered here prove that the answer to my question is a resounding, no. God is not willing to hear from any sinner; lukewarm ‘christian, homosexual or Muslim alike until they have had a godly sorrow that has led them to the cross of Jesus Christ in humble confession and repentance to Him as both Lord and Savior. All the Muslim prayers, five times a day, are repetitious nonsense to the True and Living God of the Bible, Jesus Christ. All the homosexual prayers that cry out whenever their flesh is not comforted in this world are not heard as well. In fact, no prayer of any sinner is heard until the prayer of regret about a life lived without God as their Lord.
Joh 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
Isa 59:1-3 Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. 3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
Psa_66:20 Blessed be God, which hath not turned away my prayer, nor his mercy from me.[saints]
Psa_80:4 O LORD God of hosts, how long wilt thou be angry against the prayer of thy people?
Psa_141:5 Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities.
Psa_109:7 When he is judged, let him be found guilty, And let his prayer become sin.
Pro_15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, But the prayer of the upright is His delight.
Pro_15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous.
Pro_28:9 One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer is an abomination.
Isa_26:16 LORD, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them.
Isa_56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Jer_7:16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.
Jer_11:14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.
Lam_3:8 Also when I cry and shout, he shutteth out my prayer.
Lam_3:44 Thou hast covered thyself with a cloud, that our prayer should not pass through.
Dan_9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
Dan_9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
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Dan_9:17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord’s sake.
Jon_2:7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
Mat_21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mat_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Mat_23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mar_9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
Mar_11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mar_12:40 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.
Luk_1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk_2:37 And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
Luk_5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?
Luk_6:12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.
Luk_19:46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Luk_22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,
Luk_20:47 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
Act_1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
Act_2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act_3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
Act_6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
Act_10:4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
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Act_10:31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
Act_12:5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.
Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Act_16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
Rom_10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Rom_12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
Rom_15:30 Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ’s sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;
1Co_7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
2Co_1:11 Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.
2Co_9:14 And by their prayer for you, which long after you for the exceeding grace of God in you.
Eph_6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Php_1:4 Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy,
Php_1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Php_4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
Col_4:2 Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;
Eph_1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
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Col_4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
1Th_1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
1Ti_2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Ti_4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti_5:5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
2Ti_1:3 I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;
Phm_1:4 I thank my God, making mention of thee always in my prayers,
Phm_1:22 But withal prepare me also a lodging: for I trust that through your prayers I shall be given unto you.
Heb_5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
1 Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
Jas_5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas_5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
1Pe_3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
1Pe_3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
1Pe_4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
Rev_5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev_8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Rev_8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand.
The conclusion of the matter is simple. Either you are a sinner, to whom God is not listening, or you are a saint that God is hearing and moving in your life. Friend, if you call yourself a Christian who is living in known, willful sin, God is not listening to you. His ear is heavy toward you and your sins have separated your God from you. Repent today, lest you die in your sin and go to eternal punishment for it!
In all of its 66 books the Bible never once says that the Earth moves around the sun or rotates on an axis – not even a hint. In contrast there are in essence hundreds of references in which the Scriptures are implicitly, if not explicitly geocentric. Moreover, there is absolutely no Scriptural foundation for the heliocentric position, nor are there any formal scientific experiments which prove it. The faith based essentials of heliocentricity (stationary sun and a moving earth which is both rotating AND orbiting) have NEVER been proved by any scientific experiment. In fact ALL the scientific experiments clearly point to a stationary earth, a fact which is openly, albeit reluctantly, admitted by heliocentrists. Thus the heliocentric position is neither founded upon a Scriptural or true scientific basis, but rather it is admittedly chosen over the geocentric position more for philosophical reasons, especially due to the moral ramifications of the earth occupying such a favored position.
Rather than simply believing what God has revealed in the testimony of the Scriptures regarding the sun and earth, the unconscious but tragic epistemology of most is – We know what the Bible really MEANS regarding the sun and the earth because of what science DECLARES regarding the sun and the earth. Are you willing to take an honest look at the testimony of God Himself revealed in His word regarding the nature of the cosmos? If you are His disciple, that is indeed your hearts desire and the declaration of Scripture is the only evidence needed when considering any subject of life.
“He that is of God heareth God’s words…” John 8:47
1. The Foundation of the Scriptures
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:1-2
This Scripture is absolutely foundational to one’s worldview
The Earth was created on day one as the focal point and center of creation.
Consider – If the only visible created material entity at the end of the first day of Creation was the Earth, then the Earth was created as the very center of the universe.
Moreover, there was nothing which the Earth would have been able to orbit at this time and there is no reason whatsoever to assume it was rotating at 1000 mph.
The sun and the other heavenly bodies were created on the fourth day. Since they are peripheral to the Earth, and their purpose is that of serving the Earth, it is logical to assume they revolve around the Earth.
The sun, planets and stars were placed IN the firmament which was spread out as a tent (Isaiah 40:22) and placed AROUND the Earth.
The Earth is clearly distinct from both the firmament of heaven and the heavenly bodies placed in the firmament.
Heliocentricity however removes this distinction set forth in Genesis chapter [1], and makes the Earth merely another celestial body in the universe.
The Geocentric position is thus clearly the most spiritually logical position to take.
Furthermore, God is most glorified in the geocentric model as it is in accordance with his word, His unique purposes in the Earth and the indubitable revelation of Himself to mankind through Earth’s favored position.
2. The Scriptural Declaration of the Sun’s Rising and Setting
He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down. Psalm 104:19
The first portion of this verse is clearly not poetical, thus the second portion should not be interpreted as strictly poetical either.
Most who balk at Geocentricity posit that where the Bible speaks of the sun rising and setting it is thus stated because it is seen this way from man’s perspective. However in this verse the Scriptures declare that the going down of the sun is an action that is actually occurring from the sun’s perspective..
Thus both the moon and sun are said to observe the appointments of their Creator.
The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. Genesis 19:23
And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. Genesis 28:11
And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh. Genesis 32:31
But Moses’ hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun. Exodus 17:12
If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. Exodus 22:3
And when the sun is down, he shall be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things; because it is his food. Leviticus 22:7
And on the east side toward the rising of the sun shall they of the standard of the camp of Judah pitch throughout their armies: and Nahshon the son of Amminadab shall be captain of the children of Judah. Numbers 2:3
The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising. Numbers 34:15 Then Moses severed three cities on this side Jordan toward the sunrising. Deuteronomy 4:41
And they possessed his land, and the land of Og king of Bashan, two kings of the Amorites, which were on this side Jordan toward the sunrising. Deuteronomy 4:47
Are they not on the other side Jordan, by the way where the sun goeth down, in the land of the Canaanites, which dwell in the champaign over against Gilgal, beside the plains of Moreh? Deuteronomy 11:30
But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt. Deuteronomy 16:6
But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again. Deuteronomy 23:11
In any case thou shalt deliver him the pledge again when the sun goeth down, that he may sleep in his own raiment, and bless thee: and it shall be righteousness unto thee before the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 24:13
At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee. Deuteronomy 24:15
From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast. Joshua 1:4
Until the LORD have given your brethren rest, as he hath given you, and they also have possessed the land which the LORD your God giveth them: then ye shall return unto the land of your possession, and enjoy it, which Moses the LORD’S servant gave you on this side Jordan toward the sunrising. Joshua 1:15
And it came to pass at the time of the going down of the sun, that Joshua commanded, and they took them down off the trees, and cast them into the cave wherein they had been hid, and laid great stones in the cave’s mouth, which remain until this very day. Joshua 10:27
Now these are the kings of the land, which the children of Israel smote, and possessed their land on the other side Jordan toward the rising of the sun, from the river Arnon unto mount Hermon, and all the plain on the east: Joshua 12:1
And the land of the Giblites, and all Lebanon, toward the sunrising, from Baalgad under mount Hermon unto the entering into Hamath. Joshua 13:5
And turned from Sarid eastward toward the sunrising unto the border of Chislothtabor, and then goeth out to Daberath, and goeth up to Japhia. Joshua 19:12
And then the coast turneth westward to Aznothtabor, and goeth out from thence to Hukkok, and reacheth to Zebulun on the south side, and reacheth to Asher on the west side, and to Judah upon Jordan toward the sunrising. Joshua 19:34
And Gideon the son of Joash returned from battle before the sun was up. Judges 8:13
And it shall be, that in the morning, as soon as the sun is up, thou shalt rise early, and set upon the city: and, behold, when he and the people that is with him come out against thee, then mayest thou do to them as thou shalt find occasion. Judges 9:33
And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What is sweeter than honey? and what is stronger than a lion? And he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle. Judges 14:18
And when all the people came to cause David to eat meat while it was yet day, David sware, saying, So do God to me, and more also, if I taste bread, or ought else, till the sun be down. 2 Samuel 3:35
And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain. 2 Samuel 23:4
And there went a proclamation throughout the host about the going down of the sun, saying, Every man to his city, and every man to his own country. 1 Kings 22:36
And the battle increased that day: howbeit the king of Israel stayed himself up in his chariot against the Syrians until the even: and about the time of the sun going down he died. 2 Chronicles 18:34
So we laboured in the work: and half of them held the spears from the rising of the morning till the stars appeared. Nehemiah 4:21
Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars. Job 9:7
The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Psalm 50:1
The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens. Psalm 104:22
From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD’S name is to be praised. Psalm 113:3
The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. Ecclesiastes 1:5
I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay. Isaiah 41:25
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. Isaiah 45:6
So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. Isaiah 59:19
Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him. Daniel 6:14
And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day: Amos 8:9
And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live. Jonah 4:8
Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. Micah 3:6
Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day, but when the sun ariseth they flee away, and their place is not known where they are. Nahum 3:17
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 1:11
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Matthew 5:45
And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. Matthew 13:6
And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils. Mark 1:32
But when, the sun was up it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. Mark 4:6
And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. Mark 16:2
Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. Luke 4:40
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Ephesians 4:26
For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. James 1:11
If God wanted to reveal to us the sun actually rises and sets, how else could He have said it?
[ A general rule of hermeneutics is that we are not to depart from the literal and obvious sense of a passage, except where reason makes it untenable or spiritual necessity requires it. Thus since there is NO Scriptural or natural proof that a literal meaning is not implied much less impossible regarding the plain motion of the sun, we must take it as plainly stated in the Scriptures. Furthermore, the Scriptures have been given unto us as a Revelation from God. As a Revelation, they reveal to us the truth and thus go beyond what mere man can know by natural observation. If the Scriptures were a retelling of what man saw, then they would cease to be Revelation, for there is nothing revelatory about the language of mere appearance.]
3. The Sun Moving or Standing Still
Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. Joshua 10:12-13
If one receives the word of God as the word of God, the evidence in support of a geocentric model is indisputable here.
Joshua plainly commanded the sun to stand still. He did not order the earth to cease rotating nor did he qualify his statement with the divine knowledge that the sun was merely made to appear stationary.
It is only possible to stop something that is moving. This indicates that the sun is indeed moving, while the earth consequently stands still.
Perhaps the greatest proof the sun actually moves is the fact that we have the confirming narrative of the Spirit of God who plainly declares the sun actually stopped moving. THE SPIRIT OF GOD SAID…”And the sun stood still…So the sun stood still…” Joshua 10:13
Is the Bible the word of God or not? Indeed! Did God himself deceive us regarding reality? Absolutely not!
It is of the utmost spiritual importance that one bow to the authority of the didactic narrative of God’s word; THIS IS THE HEART AND MARROW OF BEING SUBMITTED TO THE LORDSHIP OF CHRIST! For if one ever autonomously imposes their understanding thereon, they usurp the lordship of Christ, undermine the very foundation of Christianity and knowledge, and they open a pandora’s box of skepticism whereby any other didactic statement of the Scripture can be dismissed in the name of “common sense” or scientism.
God has also according to His divine proof criteria granted us the required [3] witnesses to establish the factuality of this miraculous event: The clear narrative of the Spirit of God, the testimony within the book of Jasher, and Habakkuk 3:11 which confirms the sun actually stood still.
Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. Psalm 19:5-6
Whilst no one should deny that poetic language is used in Psalm 19:4-5 which speaks of the sun as a “bridegroom coming out of his chamber,” it is obvious that said metaphorical language is being used to enhance the reality of the sun’s movement around the earth and not to dilute or deny it.
Since the fact that the sun revolves around the earth has already been established by the historical and didactic narratives of Scripture (e.g., Joshua 10:10-14), the poetical passages of Scripture that speak of the sun moving around the earth must be taken as factual statements with an enhanced description for literary effect (e.g., “as a man running a race”). This is certainly true of the Psalms where most of the geocentric passages occur. In fact, Psalms is the most quoted book in the New Testament for verification of historical and doctrinal truth, even though every Psalm is in actuality a Hebrew poem.
Psalm 19 is a Messianic Psalm which likens Christ, the Bridegroom, to the sun (“His going forth…”) and then uses the analogy in connection with the ensuing declaration of the sure testimony of the word of God.
Why would God use a figurative fable as a confirming witness to all the earth regarding the revelation of His very existence to all mankind and glory as declared in this Psalm (v. 1-4)
Why would God use a figurative fable to describe the actual coming of Christ, the Bridegroom, for His bride (v. 5-6)
Why would God use a figurative fable to testify of the absolute perfection and trustworthiness of His word which is set forth in this Psalm (v. 7-8)
It would be the height of folly to use an analogy which is actually false, only “appearing” to be true, and then declare that through this falsity set forth in God’s word and particularly in this Psalm that the testimony of God’s word to man is absolutely perfect and sure.
Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. Isaiah 38:8
THE SPIRIT OF GOD SAID…”So the sun returned ten degrees.”
Moreover, if it had been only the shadow on Ahaz’s dial which moved, it would not have fallen under the notice of other nations, or have been the subject of their inquiry, as it was of the Babylonians ~ “Howbeit in the business of the ambassadors of the princes of Babylon, who sent unto him to enquire of the wonder that was done in the land, God left him, to try him, that he might know all that was in his heart” 2 Chronicles 32:31
So let all thine enemies perish, O LORD: but let them that love him be as the sun when he goeth forth in his might. And the land had rest forty years. Judges 5:31
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. Isaiah 13:10
4. The Earth is at Rest
[Every mention in the Scriptures of the Earth “moving” is an anomaly in reference to judgment]
The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Psalm 93:1
There are very few options available regarding the meaning of the “establishment of the world” if one faithfully follows this analogy and thus seeks to make a legitimate comparison to God. The world cannot refer to the political machinations of the nations, for they shift quite frequently. It could not refer to the whole universe, since if the universe were moved, to where would it move? The best way the Psalmist’s analogy can have its intended effect is if an object exists that is unmoved in the midst of all other objects that are moving.
For example, if the Psalmist were referring to an unmoving earth, then the image displayed by Psalm 93:1 would be most logical and accurate, for the Earth would be the only body at rest in the midst of a sea of moving bodies in the heavens. Moreover, according to Genesis chapter 1 this the the exact impression we are given.
If we interpret this statement thus, the Earth would be the foundational reference point in Creation; the only immovable object, and thus the best example to picture of the immutability of God himself.
More to the point is that Psalm 93:2 adds that God’s throne is also “established.” Logically, if his throne does not move then the world cannot move either.
One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. Ecclesiastes 1:4-7
The language of motion (14 verbs) employed here is literal in regards to the activity of ALL the other entities mentioned (i.e. the wind and rivers.) So why would the pattern of this passage be broken and the sun and the earth arbitrarily have figurative language used for them?
And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest. Zechariah 1:11
Years before, Isaiah had prophesied of the dissolution of the present creation, including the earth (Isaiah 34:4, 24:19). Other scripture writers had done the same (Psalm 102:25, 26, etc.) But the “they” in Zechariah 1:11 (the riders of the red, speckled, and white horses mentioned in the eighth verse) reported that the times had not yet arrived for the dissolution of the earth, thus indicating that this is the state of the earth at a time prior to that time of judgment.
Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. 1 Chronicles 16:30
Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble. Job 9:6 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Psalm 46:2 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. Psalm 96:10
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved. Psalm 99:1
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Psalm 104:5
Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth. Psalm 119:90
Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. Isaiah 13:13
And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. Isaiah 24:18
The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. Isaiah 24:19
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. Isaiah 24:20
Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; Isaiah 49:8
Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend. 1 Corinthians 8:13
[Although I would concede the verses are not all necessarily and absolutely cosmological in nature, who is to say that they do not communicate a cosmological truth? It is undeniable however that they do serve a very important purpose by which they communicate to us what the Bible DOES HAVE TO SAY about the earth and the obvious message here is that the earth is neither rotating or orbiting. Surely God knew this would be an issue. Would He communicate over and over that the sun, the heavens and stars are indeed moving, give us the obvious general sense that the earth is stationary, not even once giving even a hint it is moving, and then be pleased we disregard all of this which is plainly communicated and believe modern God rejecting scientists who do not even have one experiment to show otherwise, only a theory. I trow not!]
5. The Circuits
His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. Psalm 19:6
The heavenly bodies (sun, stars, and heavens) are specifically said to move in a course or circuit. This language is never used for the earth. Conversely, the earth is said over and over to have “foundations”, to “abide”, be “stable” and “unmoved” while this language is NEVER used for the sun and stars. Selah!
Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven. Job 22:14
They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera. Judges 5:20
6. Direction (Up/Down/Under)
[Consider, for example, the many references to “the heavens above” and “the earth below.” One is forced to ask: “Above or below what? Above the earth and below the heavens?” Similarly, heaven is spoken of as “up” and earth as “down.” Other such direction-expressing pairs of words exist in the Bible. For example, there is “ascending” with “descending,” and ”over” with “beneath.” Likewise, the many times that the term “host of heaven” is used shows the stars and angels to be geocentrically disposed. When the height of heaven is mentioned, it is mentioned as measured from the earth’s center (e.g., Isaiah 55:9) and from the earth’s surface (Psalm 103:11). Such references occur everywhere in the Bible and they are certainly not heliocentric or Copernican. God’s geometry is clearly geocentric.]
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Acts 1:9-10
Jesus went straight up from Jerusalem which would be in accord with the fact that God’s throne is directly above Jerusalem.
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. Acts 7:55
In like manner God’s throne is seen by Stephen who is in Jerusalem and looks directly up into the heavens.
This day will I begin to put the dread of thee and the fear of thee upon the nations that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear report of thee, and shall tremble, and be in anguish because of thee. Deuteronomy 2:25
And he shall deliver their kings into thine hand, and thou shalt destroy their name from under heaven: there shall no man be able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them. Deuteronomy 7:24
Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey. Deuteronomy 26:15
The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven. Deuteronomy 29:20
And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. Joshua 2:11
Return, we beseech thee, O God of hosts: look down from heaven, and behold, and visit this vine; Psalm 80:14
What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? Ecclesiastes 1:3
7. General Scriptures
And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. Genesis 28:12
The ladder could only be steady if the earth neither rotated neither orbited
If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee. Deuteronomy 30:4
The use of the word “outmost” implies that heaven is bounded
And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces. 1 Chronicles 21:16
Geocentric because of the implication of immobility between earth and heaven
Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? Job 38:33
Geocentricity declares the dominion of the ordinances of heaven is set in the earth.
The astral bodies were made for the earth, to give light upon it, for the measurement of time, and for seasons. As such, the dominion over the ordinances of heaven must be on earth, the body for which they were created. This is the reverse of astrology which sets the dominion of the earth to the stars. Indeed modern science also sets the stars – the sun in particular- to rule the earth.
Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. Psalm 68:4
This Scripture implies that the heavens move
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? Isaiah 66:1
The plumbline shows that salvation comes down to the earth; note the symbolism of the plummet, being made of lead which is considered the basest of metals, residing closest to the earth, represents man who cannot save himself (Ephesians 2:8-9).
The second view allows moral relativism, especially if “all is relative.” At this point there is a connection with the theory of relativity in physics which, among other things, is designed to account for why the earth seems to be standing still at the dynamic center of the universe.
2 Chronicles 9:18 suggests that the footstool was fastened to the throne. “And there were six steps to the throne, with a footstool of gold, which were fastened to the throne, and stays on each side of the sitting place, and two lions standing by the stays.”
If Heliocentrism were true this would violate the type and God would be receiving a perpetual “foot massage.” 🙂
Thus he shewed me: and, behold, the Lord stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand. And the LORD said unto me, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A plumbline. Then said the Lord, Behold, I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more: Amos 7:7-8
If the earth is rotating, let alone the profusion of other superimposed motions, a plumbline at the Temple from the mercy seat would seldom, if ever, point to God’s throne with New Jerusalem. Such a line, when seen from the throne, would aimlessly flail about. But in Scripture, this line points to God’s throne, thus showing the fixity of the earth with respect to the third heaven.
That God’s third heaven is fixed, we shall have to take at his word, for only God the creator can supply the reference. The plumbline, in turn, holds the plummet, a lead ball. In Isaiah 28:17 this plumbline over Jerusalem connects Jesus (verses 9-13) with the righteous on earth. In Amos 7:7 the LORD shows Amos the plumbline of Isaiah 28 and prophesies that the promised tribulational desolation (verse 9) ”will not again pass by them any more.”
The “wall” of verse 7 upon which stands the LORD must be the temple wall showing the cosmological heavenly alignment of the place where God puts his name. Zechariah calls attention to this plumbline when prophesying the rebuilding of the temple (Zechariah 4:10) and associates the plummet with the cosmic events of Revelation 1 through the seven candles, “…for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.”
The plumbline shows that salvation comes down, as in Psalm 19, to the earth; note the symbolism of the plummet, being made of lead which is considered the basest of metals, residing closest to the earth, represents man who cannot save himself (Ephesians 2:8-9). The plumbline points from earth to heaven, (Jesus being the plumbline and our way to heaven,) and it also points from heaven to earth, bringing judgment upon Jerusalem, as we see in II Kings 21:13. Note that the word “line” in II Kings 21:13, Psalm 19, and many other places is a geocentric notion in that it is the geocentric, diurnally rotating heavens that produce the lines.
8. The Glory and Resurrection of Christ and the Rising of the Sun
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 1:11 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. Malachi 4:2
Jesus is referred to as the “Sun” of righteousness who arises. If the rising of the sun in figurative then this analogy regarding the foundational doctrine of Christianity, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, is undermined.
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Mark 16:9 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2 Peter 1:19
The day star is the sun which is a type of Christ. Why would God make this analogy regarding our spiritual growth if the sun only appears to rise?
9. The Bible is clearly a Geocentric book
John Wesley declared that the Copernican system “tended toward infidelity.”
John Owen stated that the Copernican model was a “delusive and arbitrary hypothesis, contrary to Scripture.”
Matthew Henry stated…”day and night, summer and winter; which are interchanged by the motion of the sun.”
“A certain new astrologer who wanted to prove that the earth moves and not the sky, the sun and the moon…I believe the holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth.” Luther
Furthermore, Copernicus, Kepler and Galileo knew full well that their deviant theory was contrary to the Scriptures.
“In questions concerning the natural sciences Holy Writ must occupy the last place.” Galileo
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. “ Isaiah 8:20
Geocentric Animation of planets, moon, with earth centered. NOTE: This is based on orbital globes for illustration
Br. John’s Thoughts in Short
I want to thank Br. Charlie for his extensive research and article on this important subject. In all my studies of the Bible I have never seen anything that would poetically, figuratively, or literally show the heliocentric model as true. If I trust God versus men, then all the ‘scientific’ information that men produce to disprove God or His Word I flatly reject. I know, I know, we have pictures, videos, etc that ‘prove’ the world’s helio position. I have the Word of God which is pure and more precious than gold or silver which reproves such thinking.
Jesus taught we are to love God with our minds. This is a part of the first of the two Greatest commandments which fulfill the law.
Mat_22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Rom_12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Jer_23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
The world scorns, mocks, ridicules, and shames most of the Christian worldview. When we go out preaching to the lost we hear things like; 1. you people believe in talking snakes and donkeys? 2. Where did Cain get his wife? 3. Where is Jesus’ appearing after all these millennium? 4. Don’t you believe in ‘science’; evolution, big bang, etc? 5. How is it loving that God throw people into eternal fire forever? 6. God loves everybody, no matter what! 7. God if you’re real, strike me dead with lightning! These kind of carnal, worldly philosophies most believers reject very quickly. Why do we trust sinners who run most of our universities, high, middle, and elementary schools with the intellectual, spiritual , physical, and career development of our children?
Prov_22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
preaching at Univ. of Louisville to humanistic and evolutionary students
I had been warned by a dear brother when I first posted a link to Charlie’s article some months ago that the geocentric model will lead to flat earth views. He was right, it did, but I am not blindly accepting that, just examining what is a very controversial yet interesting subject. See the link below for that article…
Beware, Rob Skiva the primary author of this article, does not believe the trinity.
